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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:05 pm ] |
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Hi all, just bought some EIR and Lutz spruce for dreadnaught guitars 2 and 3 and was wondering what kind of wood bindings i should use to make my guitars stand out . All suggestions are welcome, PICS would be really appreciated also! 
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:22 pm ] |
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Bloodwood is a very classy look. Koa is always nice... but a little bold. Snakewood looks good too... |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:32 pm ] |
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Flame maple is my choice with rosewood |
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| Author: | WalterK [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:58 pm ] |
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HI SERGE, MY FIRST GUITAR WITH EIR AND I USED FLAMED MAPLE AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. TRY IT...YOU'LL LOVE IT. WALTER 
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| Author: | John Mayes [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:05 pm ] |
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my favorite with EIR is Koa. 
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| Author: | Mattia Valente [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:47 pm ] |
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I do quite like the look of flamed maple, ergo using it on my first. Nothing too heavily flamed, just something pleasant looking: 
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| Author: | PaddyD [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:41 pm ] |
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i tooo love the maple or sycamore binding with the rosewood 
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| Author: | Dickey [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:45 pm ] |
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You guys never sleep. I just finished a Rosewood flamed Maple binding and it looks nice for a first. I'm a plastic man myself. But the maple has it all on looks over most plastic. All these examples are great. |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:31 am ] |
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Curly koa with EIR is one of my favorites. My best looking OM that I have built has that combination and I really like the look of it. I've used a fair amount of quartersawn sycamore as well. Gotta be careful with it though, it gets a little busy looking. |
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| Author: | Daniel M [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:59 am ] |
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Ebony, though a little difficult to bend, looks gorgeous against EIR but you need a BW or BWB purfling to get some separation. I just started another SJ(ish) guitar EIR / Engelmann. I was thinking about bloodwood, but the colours weren't complimentary to my eyes. So... out with the flamed Maple. YES! Decision made. |
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| Author: | Laurent Brondel [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:31 am ] |
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I like koa with EIR, this is what I used on my first, but I think EIR bindings with a maple line, or WBW, or even RED/W/RED purflings would look really classy.This is my 000/long scale: 
This is a Sobell guitar (I think it's Braz RW): 
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:50 am ] |
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WHEW!, i'm havin' a tough time decidin' here guys, everything i saw so far is so gorgeous, i think i'll let more people post in before i make my decision! This is a treat! So far though, i must admit that koa and flamed maple are very attracting choices maybe with BWB purfling? Let'em pics get here! More please! 
Serge
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:17 am ] |
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This may not help your decision but I've decided, on my EIR Martin Kit, to use the Koa with the laminated BWB from StewMac mated with a BWB purfling. Even more excited about the decision after seeing Laurent's post and pic. That trim with just a single white line (BWB) would be very elegant to my mind. I have a hard time with light bindings with EIR. I would also be tempted to use EIR binding with just a fine WBW line around it. It is somewhat a reaction to my factory Martin with White plastic binding and Bolatron end piece - to me the white plastic is SOOO ugly - the maple is very nice but reminds me of the white binding and I do't likw so much contrast. Sorry no pics to share - yet. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:07 am ] |
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Serge, Here's one I am working on with Flamed maple with BWB top perfling. No side perfling here, those compound miters at the cutaway scare me at this point (no pun intended) I agree with Larry that plane maple is boringish for a wood binding. 
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| Author: | Todd Rose [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:17 am ] |
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An option to consider if you're thinking of ebony is just to use black fiber bindings instead. After finishing, it's pretty hard to tell the difference between black fiber and black ebony. I'm getting some of Bob C's curly eucalyptus binding to try out. Check it out on his web site (RC Tonewoods). It's all subjective, of course, but I prefer woods with a bit more color, e.g. koa or perhaps eucalyptus, against the dark rosewood. The pale maple can be too much contrast for my eye. I've never liked the white or cream colored ivoroid/plastic bindings on many rosewood guitars, and the maple is a bit too close to that look for me. |
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| Author: | Alan Carruth [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:24 am ] |
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I find most koa a little soft for bindings, but that's just my opinion. Remember that koa, even though it looks a lot like mahogany, gets lighter with age under many finishes, and should be treated as a light wood, with a dark line next to it. I find that rock maple bends better than soft maple, if you've got the choice. I always think of dark bindings as more 'formal' looking. Macassar ebony bends better than the blacker stuff, and the heat seems to darken it. I'm using a lot of Morado, AKA pau ferro, for bidings these days. It contrasts with most woods but seems to 'go with' everything too. It finishes well, bends nicely, and is good and hard. |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:28 am ] |
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Thanks everyone! Your thoughts on this and your pictures are very appreciated, kinda open my eyes on such a great variety of combinations but the final choice will be hard to make! I guess i'll have to decide between bloodwood, koa and snakewood for bindings with BWB perfs on top, on each side of the rosette and on the sides. My final choice will probably be made when my wood gets here, then, it will probably be easier to make that choice! That's the most beautiful dilemma i have ever had to face. Feel free to send more pics, i still have plenty of time before i get to that part of the build, so i'll check this thread from time to time for those who didn't have the chance to post their pictures! A delighted Canuck! Serge |
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| Author: | LarryH [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:34 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=LarryH] This may not help your decision but I've decided, on my EIR Martin Kit, to use the Koa with the laminated BWB from StewMac mated with a BWB purfling. [/QUOTE] CORRECTION: The StewMac Koa laminated BWB is NOT Black/White/Black as is stated in the catalog - it is actually Black/Koa/Black. If you look at the picture it is pretty clearly BKB but who would look there?
Should be nice but I intended to match it with the BWB purfling, I'll still use the combo but was looking forward to the White with the Koa. Will be a bit harder to match everything now - just a heads up. |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:21 pm ] |
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Could I just say that it's a treat to view these pix? You guys are truly inspiring, and I appreciate such inspiration. John, Mattia, Paddy, Laurent and Rod: thanks mucho! Steve |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:37 pm ] |
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Serge I have a picture of the bindings I stock on my website. Mine are mostly laminated with something else but I do have curly Koa, curly Maple and EIR. Look at the ones there and if you want a better picture of any particular one let me know and I will get one for you. Good luck on your decision. I am still scratching my head on the Australian Blackwood guitar that will soon be a completed box. May be Koa? Maybe EIR, I have bloodwood too.......Ah!!! I guess I will deside when it is time to cut the channels! Shane |
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:01 pm ] |
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Shane , that is exactly how i feel, and i also have to take neck wood into consideration. If i choose to make a three piece laminate neck with black ash coupled with i don't know what, it's gonna make that choice even harder!  
Man! That's the beauty of lutherie, we never get bored, do we ? I'll let you know as soon as i have a clear choice in my puzzled head! 
Serge |
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